What Does Oppo Know About the Jetta?

"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley) 09/19/2019 at 13:46 • Filed to: None

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The Kia will likely be replaced in 2020. I like the idea of a K900 or Cadenza, but likely the replacement will be a 2019 Kia Forte or 2019 VW Jetta. 

What can Oppo tell me about the 1.4 Manual Jetta?

Sovande > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 13:53

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I fell asleep.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 13:58

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CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 09/19/2019 at 13:58

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Meh, I have fun cars.  I just want a sedan with AC, android auto and that is comfy

Tripper > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:02

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Still has to be more fun than the 2013 115hp 2.slow that I had for 10 months.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:02

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It’s your wife’s Golf in sedan form now. IMO the 1.4 is kind of fun. It  actually matches the peak torque of the 1.8, but 100 rpm sooner. I had a previous gen Jetta with the 1.4, and I loved the gas mileage. The VW manuals suck stock though.

Derpwagon > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:03

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It’s a Volkswagen, and Volkswagen is an evil company (see: diesel emissions testing on humans and apes, executives making holocaust jokes when talking about profits, etc etc etc). Therefore I won’t even consider buying a VW. Or an Audi. 

MonkeePuzzle > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:04

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it will not beat an s2000 with $100k under the hood

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Derpwagon 09/19/2019 at 14:05

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I was the same (still kinda am) but then I DID buy one. So nice.

I bought a Kia and VW in the same year.  Didn’t see that coming.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:06

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It’s a Golf with a trunk.

Nothing > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:06

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My brother in law has an automatic 2019. It’s been in the shop twice for warranty repairs, although I’d have to call him to see what they were. His wife drives it back and forth to work. I’ve asked them both how they like it, and the basic response is that it’s a car, and they expect it to be at the dealer for some sort of repair at least once/year.

He has previous VW experience with his daughter’s 2013 GLI (blown engine, many issues with that one) , and his Golf R (traded in for the Jetta), so he knows what he’s in for with VW ownership.

dieseldub > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:07

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I could argue the 1.4 TSI in theory should be a longer-lived, less problematic engine than the 1.8 and 2.0s from the EA888 family.

The 1.4 is older block architecture with a timing belt. Before you bolt just at the mention of a timing belt, hear me out. Despite people thinking timing chains never go bad, they do... and sometimes with little to no warning, especially on overhead cam engines. And it’s not just a VW/Audi or BMW thing. There are a number of Toyota and Lexus engines that have had their issues in recent years as well, though some may have been due to lack of maintenance.

Anyway, there are other things nice about the older block architecture as far as reliability. It uses a timing belt driven water pump, which seems to be much more reliable than the water pump the EA888 family uses, which when I worked at a VW dealer I had to replace a number of them on GTIs with less than 10,000 miles on the clock...

The 1.4 also uses the old style rear main seal, which is generally very reliable. The EA888 family uses a similar teflon seal, but it’s simply glued to a stamped steel housing and many of them literally come unbonded, not only making an oil leak, but also a vacuum leak that sets a check engine light for lean mixture.

In all, I don’t think the 1.4 is a bad buy. Should get fantastic fuel economy and won’t be ungodly slow. Won’t be fast either, but a perfectly adequate daily driver.

nj959 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:09

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Why not just get a Civic? Car and Driver still seems to think it’s the best.

I will concede that it’s ugly however. The Jetta is more attractive to my eyes.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Nothing 09/19/2019 at 14:09

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Yikes.  I really worry about our sportwagen in the future.  Maybe I should stick with the Koreans

vicali > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:09

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Does not offroad..

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > nj959 09/19/2019 at 14:11

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Way to ugly.  Won’t reward honda with my money

nj959 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:13

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CPO Accord?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > nj959 09/19/2019 at 14:14

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Maybe.  I am just not a Honda guy

Nothing > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:15

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I know he didn’t have any issues with the R, other than it getting wrecked a couple of times. Despite his woes, I seriously considered  an Alltrack, I just didn’t thing the back seat would be roomy enough as my son gets older, especially once I adjusted the driver’s seat. 

gettingoldercarguy > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:18

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Used Veloster turbo N

nj959 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:21

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Fair enough. I do think that looking into CPO midsizes rather than new compacts could be a decent idea though, especially since they’d probably be only a year old with very few miles for the same money.

Here’s a 2018 Mazda6 turbo with 1700 miles for US$24,882, which is at least vaguely in the ballpark. I don’t know what the market is like in Canada though.

CB > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:21

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Have you considered the Elantra GT?

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:22

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Get the GLI instead , or an Accord

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/which-one-would-you-rather-1837982951

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > MonkeePuzzle 09/19/2019 at 14:23

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If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:27

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It's an car. That's all there really is to say about it.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 09/19/2019 at 14:29

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I have, I’d like one but more expensive than what I’m looking for.  $17K max

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Tripper 09/19/2019 at 14:29

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I'm sorry, 115hp out of a 2 liter engine in TWO THOUSAND GODDAMN THIRTEEN? That's miserable.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:29

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C4 corvette with aftermarket stereo. 

CB > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:31

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Gotcha.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 09/19/2019 at 14:33

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Oh shit! They’re cheaper than I thought!

It could be done

Tripper > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/19/2019 at 14:42

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Yah, terrible. I bought it brand new to commute 1:20 to a job that I HATED. After 10 months I got a better job 10 minutes from home and traded the Jetta that now had 18000 miles and a dent from my foot in the passenger on an E90M3.

AestheticsInMotion > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:49

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Would a lightly used k 900 not work with the car allowance? 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Tripper 09/19/2019 at 14:49

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My NA 2.0 Mazda puts out 150 HP, my god that is terrible. 

Spanfeller is a twat > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:50

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I personally prefer the golf

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Tripper 09/19/2019 at 14:50

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The engine in my Neon was designed almost twenty ye ars before that and had 132hp from the same displacement.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 14:56

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My only 2 cents is that with your job, your work vehicle needs to be as dependable as possible. 

I am certain   the Jetta will be a more enjoyable ride than your bbbbbbase Forte. But a Kia or Hyundai would be a safer bet.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/19/2019 at 15:06

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Ugh. Damn pragmatic advise

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 15:11

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There really no point in having a fun daily if you have an “outside/on-site” job. Especially for you, because it’s just an extra vehicle, it serves no other purpose. You need a capable, dependable vehicle.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/19/2019 at 15:16

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I didn’t even know it was possible to make only 115hp out of a modern 2.0.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/19/2019 at 15:17

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The 1.6L version of that Neon engine made 115HP in my Mini.

Derpwagon > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 15:22

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I refuse to budge on my stance. 

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 15:40

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Mine’s an automatic, but I’ve driven the manual as well. What would you like to know?

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 09/19/2019 at 15:41

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I think it wasn't modern. They just carried the previous gen motor over with a minimal technical upgrade 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 09/19/2019 at 15:42

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Good or bad?

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/19/2019 at 15:43

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My MK7 GTI has been trouble free for 25k miles. And I   have seen people posting online with over 100k on theirs without needing to do anything beyond scheduled maintenance.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/19/2019 at 15:44

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Still, it would have to date back to the 90s to justify 115HP from a 2.0.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 15:50

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I love it! And the fuel economy is phenomenal.

diplodicus forgot his password > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 15:52

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You should get a used Lincoln Continental

Klaus Schmoll > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/19/2019 at 15:52

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Did they ditch the North A merica only decontended platform and move to MQB?

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/19/2019 at 15:53

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Yeah I wouldn’t trust a Jetta to be reliable every day, and I daily an 82 240 with Kjet 

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Derpwagon 09/19/2019 at 15:54

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And VW enthusiasts refuse to budge on Stance 

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 15:55

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Wasn’t there someone on here who had one of these and went through NINE water pumps in a few years. Yeah that’s gonna be a no  from me dog

His Stigness > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/19/2019 at 16:01

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In my experience seeing vehicles 4-6 years old (that's the start of smogs in CA) I’ve failed way more Kia’s/Hyundai vehicles than I have VW’s.

In my professional opinion VW is more reliable than Hyundai.

His Stigness > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 16:01

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Copying from what I just told Zoidberg:

In my experience seeing vehicles 4-6 years old (that's when cars are first smogged in CA) I’ve failed way more Kia’s/Hyundai vehicles than I have VW’s.

In my professional opinion VW is more reliable than Hyundai.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 09/19/2019 at 16:02

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*goes to Wikipedia* OH SHIT IT WAS A TWO VALVE DESIGN IN 2013

Derpwagon > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 09/19/2019 at 16:41

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don’t even get me started on THAT shit.

abbott > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 17:39

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I’d get the Jetta. Phenomenal MPG. E asier to resale, especially with a stick . I dunno any used car buyers that specifically want a Forte, they just end up in one cuz it was a good deal. VW however actually has a following. In 5 years the Jetta interior will probably be in pretty good shape while the Forte will probably rattle and creak like mad. It’s also the difference of a company that has been doing this 80+ years and a company that came here 30 years ago with the only goal  to be the Walmart brand alternative. Give your money to the company with genuine soul and heritage and not the "compare to" generic company.

His Stigness > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/19/2019 at 17:40

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Case in point:

2014 Kia Sportage with 76k miles on it failed smog and has a P0420 code already.

His Stigness > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 17:41

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Case in point:

2014 Kia Sportage with 76k miles on it failed smog and has a P0420 code already.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Klaus Schmoll 09/19/2019 at 17:55

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Yes, finally.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > AestheticsInMotion 09/19/2019 at 18:47

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It likely would, but at the end of the day, what I don’t use I keep

Nick Has an Exocet > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 19:11

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Depending on how far into 2020 you do it, you may be able to find a 2019 used Mazda 3 if you look hard enough. I had a 2019 Jetta rental recently (auto) and I thought it was awful. I drove it the same day as a Mazda 3 and it was like comparing a Malibu to a Base 3 S eries. The Mazda interior is just a MUCH nicer place to be. There’s a Mazda3 sedan near me with 6k miles for 19k.

The one redeemable thing about the Jetta was the infotainment. It’s really quick to pick up because all you need is Android Auto. Plug that in and just let the rest of the car melt away. 

Nick Has an Exocet > dieseldub 09/19/2019 at 19:15

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I will second on timing chains. On the 4b11t motors from Mitsubish i they fail with little notice. I think that goes for that whole family of ‘world engines’ which goes across to Hyundai/Dodge. They’re super finicky with dirty oil.

RicoB74 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/19/2019 at 19:16

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The Jetta has a longer warranty, that both the Hyundai and Kia, has 40mpg, dare I say   is very fun to drive, and has  drivers assistance available in the S model.  So both ver practical and fun!

dieseldub > Nick Has an Exocet 09/19/2019 at 19:28

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GM ECOTecs have chain failures too among many other engines. As a technician seeing pattern failures with timing chain equipped engines, some of them before they even get to 100,000 miles, I have to really question the hate that timing belts receive.

From my point of view, I love them. I simply replace them and all the components they touch (water pump if driven by the timing belt, all the rollers and tensioner) when the manufacturer recommends and drive more, worry less. Just by simply following the manufacturer’s guidelines on maintenance I can make many engines last indefinitely well above 200,000 miles. Most modern timing belts go 100,000 miles or more with their specified interval anyway.

The way I try to explain it to people is this:

Would you rather have an engine with a timing belt you could guarantee goes over 300,000 miles by just following the manufacturer’s recommendations on maintenance...

OR

An engine with a “lifetime” timing chain that might not make it past 150,000 miles and be much more expensive and complicated to repair when the timing chain system does need to be replaced?

I love timing belts, I really do... mostly because I’m a cheap ass who owns old, crazy high mileage vehicles. I don’t worry about my timing belt vehicles having a sudden failure because I’ve replaced the belt and related components when recommended and with quality parts. Keep good oil in them and keep on top of whatever little things happen to crop up as you go along and what do ya know? The little buggers just keep going and I don’t fret about being stranded, even in my 300,000 mile cars.

AestheticsInMotion > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 20:31

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Fair point. Could you use your personal vehicle and just pocket the extra money? 

A.Cab > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/19/2019 at 21:02

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I replaced my 1992 Mercedes 190E with a 2019 Jetta S 6MT. My first time driving a standard shift was the test drive and I stalled a lot. The hill hold was nice at first as it saved me from crashing into other car via rolling backwards several times when I would stall on hills. Now that I know how to drive a shift, the hill hold is annoying.

I average 42 MPG from the car in mixed driving. The 1.4T seems to be a decent motor, but it sounds like a hairdryer when you rev it out and really it prefers to be driven like it’s a diesel.

Chassis is alright, not as glued to the pavement as the 190E, but still light on it s feet. The trailing arm rear end can get a bit choppy on well rutted surfaces. Ride is smooth but a bit floaty, I’m thinking of getting H&R sport springs plus Koni yellows to tackle the float.

The shifter feels rubbery, and first is difficult to engage if moving at all until the trans is broken in. The clutch is quite loud on engagement as well, but I’ll take it over the Darth Vader breathing noises that all of the early build automatics had when the TC would lock (I test drove an auto for an hour before buying the 6MT).

Note that the base model does not have heated mirrors unless you get the $400 driver assistance package. Note that if you have the driver assistance package, and your alignment throws the sensors out of tolerance, the alignment plus calibrations cost roughly $700.

I change my oil every 5k miles, these cars take a new VW 508 approval code oil which is dyed green. The oil is dark by 5k miles and smells burnt.

I also hit a deer with mine on the highway 2 days after purchase. The deer went under the car, resulting in $3500 of damage, but the car was still drivable after impact.

For the $16102 I paid for the car itself ($18213 OTD after tax/title/reg - bought new with 52 miles ), it’s pretty good. Interior is plasticy, but dash and parts of the door panels are soft touch. Android Auto also works phenomenally well on my Google pixel with the headunit.

I now have 20,000 miles and there are no squeaks, rattles, or other nonsense.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > AestheticsInMotion 09/19/2019 at 21:10

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Yup, but which would I use? the ST or truck?

Both are bad choices.

Gmgtrials > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/20/2019 at 16:10

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Fellow MQB platform here, the new Jetta is awesome. I don’t know what your budget looks like but if you’re looking towards a brand new car for cheap, than tbh the current Jetta will be waaaayyy more rewarding than either the Hyundai or Kia. It will require premium (since it’s a turbo) but Volkswagen knows how to make a manual transmission, and turbo engines rein s upreme throughout their lineup. Also, it gives it a way higher ceiling for upgrades than the Kia or Hyundai. Overall, would heavily push you towards the new Jetta.